Soviets Do Better In World War II

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It's 1955 in a world where World War II didn't happen.

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I would think that the plausible way to a Soviet victory, defined as the Soviets become the major world power while the US is not a major factor on the world stage would be:

(1) France holds the Germans on the Meuse, or successfully counterattacks, resulting in a stabilized line on the Western Front in 1940. To some that may sound ASB, but it probably isn't. To make it happen, (a) the French would have to forget about the Breda variant that sent 7 of their best divisions, including their best DLM (light armored division) on a wild goose chase all the way across Belgium and into Holland, putting them in the worst possible position to cope with the actual German attack, (b) Substitute a less ambitious advance for the Dyle plan, and (c) Phase in the Dewoitine 520 either sooner or later than they did historically, so that that a very high percentage of French fighter wings were NOT in the process of switching over and not initially available. The French active and "A" Series divisions were quite capable of stopping the Germans if they were dug in, had their artillery registered and had some modicum of air cover and a reasonable amount of front to cover.
(2) As a result, the Germans and the Allies fight until they are financially drained, which would probably happen by late 1941 or early 1942 for the Allies. Given the amount of Allied orders for aircraft, etc, in the US, the US would probably grudgingly keep the Allies financially afloat, but barely and with onerous provisions in the loan agreements. For the Germans, insolvency would happen sooner unless the Soviets did increasingly large barter agreements, which they probably would for a price in German industrial machinery.
(3) With the Allies and Germans concentrating on fighting one another, the Soviets pick off some plum targets like taking a portion of Northern Iran.

(4) The Soviets build up in the Far East, and push aid to the Chinese Nationalists and Communists to disperse Japanese efforts, then in fall 1941 or spring 1942 they do a sneak attack on Japanese-held Manchuria, which, assuming it succeeds (not a foregone conclusion but not impossible), robs Japan of its major source of a lot of natural resources. The China incident would have bankrupted the Japanese by sometime in 1942 anyway, so the Soviets are now minus one major rival in the east.
(5) In the fall of 1942, the Soviets find some pretext to cut off raw material supplies to the Germans, forcing the Germans into a do it now or die attack in the west. The Soviets then join the Allies, and partition Germany.

All of the goodness of the historic World War II, but with no devastating German attack on the Soviet Union and with the western allies soaking up the bulk of the casualties. All of this, and the US has no large standing army built up, and no presence on the European continent. France and Britain are used up, and soon face the loss of their colonies. The US gets stiffed on their loans by the bankrupt Allies and goes isolationist. The Soviet Union is now the big dog, with no functional great power rivals. The Soviets don't have to go to war to dominate the part of Europe they don't physically control.

And that is a major dystopia in my book. One of the worst possible outcomes to World War II.

 

Let's play this out. Sometime in 1940, after the Germans have stalemated in France, Hitler decides that instead of building up for another attempt to take France out of the war before the British builds its army up so the Allies massively outnumber the Germans in divisions and especially firepower (which they'll accomplish by mid-1941) he'll start building up to attack the Soviet Union. He'll need at least as much time as he took in our timeline, so figure the buildup starts in November or December 1940 at the latest.

What's going on in France meantime. Let's assume that the attempt to take France starts on schedule on May 10. Without getting into the details of the battle, the Germans need to break out on the Meuse on May 14th/15th. If they don't the French consolidate their lines and a breakthrough becomes less and less likely. By end of May it would be apparent that the offensive has failed and the French/British are firmly entrenched in Belgium.

The Germans will have lost at least as many planes as they did historically (around a thousand I believe, from old and possibly faulty memory) and will have at least as many pilots shot down and captured (400, which the French historically gave back as part of their surrender). As spearheads, the Panzer divisions will have taken heavy casualties.

If there is no breakthrough the French will be fighting the war they trained for, a relatively slow-paced methodical battle where skill at handling artillery is king. The French and British will both be building their airforces, and as I recall it, the British alone were outbuilding the Germans in terms of fighters by June 1940, while the French were finally getting modern fighters to their airforce. And the British and French had huge orders for planes and aero-engines with the US.

The Germans would almost certainly regroup, rebuild and try at least once more for a breakthrough, probably in late July 1940. That attempt would have less chance of success than the previous one because the French would have a modicum of combat experience, are already in position which means they don't have to surge into Belgium and the balance in the air will have swung against the Germans to some extent. The Germans fail, losing more tanks and planes, as do the French and British, but the Allies are building faster than the Germans.

At this point, the Germans have a choice. They can make another attempt at a breakthrough, probably after a couple of months of rebuilding, which means September or they can go on the defensive. The defensive is a losing game. The British are building up from a tiny force of ten divisions to one more befitting a Great Power. They alone are outbuilding the Germans in terms of planes, not counting French production and the flood coming from the US. The French alone are outbuilding the Germans in terms of tanks (I'm 95% sure).

If Germany stays on the defensive, they are actually fighting the war France has built and trained for, a methodical battle of attrition where artillery is king and the French are very good at that kind of battle. The odds against the Germans get longer with each month that they fight that kind of battle. They will lose control of the air. They will face ever- increasing numbers of French tanks that, while they make horrible panzers, are pretty good at this kind of war. German war industry will not be able to keep up with the need for munitions in this kind of war, making it difficult to stockpile munitions for any attack on the Soviet Union.

In all likelihood, the Germans will try one more time, because if they don't they will inevitably lose the war. So, following the assumptions of this scenario they would attack one more time in September or October, trying to turn the war mobile, into their kind of war. And they fail.

Winter would make further offensives unlikely until spring. The Germans are facing increasing weight of Allied firepower and trying to keep up with munitions production. By the spring of 1941, the Allies have a decisive numerical edge in the air. They'll have more divisions, more tanks, and more firepower.

This would all be nullified if Germany attacks the Soviets anyway, but that’s unlikely.  Germany has to anticipate that they will be facing a war of attrition in 1941 that they will lose . That's the situation where they would have to make a decision to invade the Soviet Union, cutting their already outnumbered forces in the west in half. Let's say they go totally insane and decide to go for it anyway. Does anyone among the historic minor allies go along with them? The Finns weren't fools. Chances are they wouldn't with the odds this obviously against the Germans.

The Romanians? They were tacit Allies of the French and British until France fell. The Germans would probably have to fight their way through Romania if they wanted to invade the Soviet Union that way, and, by the way they would have just made enemies of the country where they were getting most of their oil, and the Romanians were quite open about their ability to sabotage the oil fields in the event of a German invasion. The Croats would presumably still be part of Yugoslavia in this scenario.

The Germans would have to go in without significant allies, without the ability to go through Finland or Romania, on a narrow front, with the Allies already dominant in the air in the west, with munitions already being depleted faster than they could be produced, at staggeringly long odds on both front. Hitler wouldn't order an attack under those circumstances. If he did the German army would almost certainly not obey those obviously suicidal orders.

 

A German army engaged against the French and British wouldn't have anywhere close to the divisions to tackle the Soviet Union, and the odds would be lopsided enough that even Hitler couldn't delude himself that he stood a chance. Even if he did the German army wouldn't have similar delusions.

The victory over France made the invasion of the Soviet Union seem doable to both Hitler and the German army for several reasons: (1) It gave an example of a quick and easy victory over a well-armed opponent, giving the Germans a strong taste of 'victory disease'. (2) The Germans now had the huge and pretty good French artillery park, as well as access to captured French oil reserves, French trucks, etc. (3) They had no substantive continental opponent and could concentrate essentially all of their good divisions in the attack. (4) They had ammunition reserves that would be used up in this scenario. (5) The victory consolidated Hitler's power over the army and his prestige,


I feel awkward arguing this, because I once did a scenario where Germany failed to take France, but ended up attacking the Soviet Union, but realistically that wasn't an option. 

Another possible flaw: If Japan goes South, the US would probably be pulled in.  That’s not impossible, but it is unlikely.  As to why the French not falling would (actually more like might) keep the Japanese from going after French Indochina, here are the situations in the two timelines in late 1940/early 1941:

Our reality: France is defeated. Its army has been reduced to 100,000 men. The Germans don't allow the French to send additional aircraft or tanks to IndoChina. The French navy (what's left of it after the British sunk several vessels to keep them from falling into German hands) is sitting in port. It can't leave port without the Germans saying okay. French IndoChina is part of a beaten empire. It's there for the taking.

Alternate reality: France has beaten two or three German offensives. They are clearly becoming more powerful. They have a huge and combat experienced army. That army is tied up at the moment in Europe, but there are no guarantees it will be in a year or two. The French are building a huge airforce with their own production plus US planes. Those planes are tied up in Europe at the moment, but again maybe not in a year or two. French navy: By no means a match for the Japanese, but still a Great Power navy and available to fight.

So which is more likely: Japan snaps up an isolated colony from a defeated France, or it takes on a Great Power France, distracted but not defeated?

Here's another issue: If Germany doesn't attack the Soviets, the Soviets are automatically more powerful in the Far East, because they don't have to divert forces from there to fight the Germans. That means that the Japanese have to fear a Soviet attack into Manchuria, whether or not it actually happens. That means they have to keep troops there that were historically used in the south. Most of the Japanese troops that were historically used to take Malaysia, the Philippines and DEI were taking directly or indirectly from Manchuria.

Soviet Union tied up fighting Germans = Japan stronger in the south.
Soviet Union not tied up fighting Germans = Japan weaker in the south.


Posted on Feb 4, 2012.

 

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